In This Issue...
QUESTIONS ON"MY CHURCH FAMILY"
Jerry C. Brewer
An article of mine, entitled Thy Speech Betrayeth
Thee, in the February 2000 issue (page 13) of Seek The
Old Paths stirred the interest of some and prompted certain
questions. They are listed here along with answers.
"Why it is wrong scripturally to use the phrase 'my
church family' in your speech?" The Lord's people (the church) are
God's spiritual family.
I have no quarrel with the affirmation that the church
is God's spiritual family. We are certainly brethren in Christ,
with one Father who is in heaven, the spiritual seed of Abraham,
heirs of God and His sons and daughters. It is certainly God's
family of the redeemed.
However, the phrase, "My Church Family" indicates
ownership. But the church is the spiritual family of God (Eph.
3:15; 1 Tim. 2:15) which Christ purchased with His own blood (Acts
20:28). The fact that it is God's house precludes me from calling
it my church family. For more than a half-century, I have heard
denominational people refer to "My Church" or "Our Church" when
speaking of their denominations. While that is true of
denominations, it isn't true of the Lord's church. It isn't mine,
but His. Peter's injunction for us to "speak as the oracles of
God" (1 Peter 4:11) prohibits our reference to the church as
our personal possession. Jesus promised to build it (Matt. 16:18),
gave himself for it (Eph. 5:25), is the foundation under it (1 Cor.
3:11), is its chief corner stone (Eph. 2:20), is the head over it
and the Saviour of it (Eph. 1:22-23; 5:23; Col. 1:18). It is His
spiritual body, (Col. 1:24), His kingdom (John 18:36; Matt.
16:18-19), His church (Matt. 16:18; Acts 20:28), and His family
(Eph. 3:15; 1 Tim. 2:15). Therefore, if I call it my church family
I claim something that isn't mine by right of promise, prophecy,
preparation, or purchase.
"Is the phrase 'my church family' directly
associated with 'Family Life Centers' and other entertainments
going on in the church today by the liberals?"
Perhaps I should have noted that not everyone who uses
this term is a liberal, but most liberals I know are in love with
the term. Doctrinal corruption by change agents will be expressed
in a corrupted language. While the church is God's family, they
have taken this concept and in a subtle manner used it to appeal to
carnal desires. We can corrupt the pure speech of God's people
without noticing it. It takes very little, as Satan proved by
adding only one three-letter word to what God had said to Adam and
Eve (Gen. 3:4). Words have meanings and the words of God should be
used in the way God intended.
Everybody -- and that includes Christians -- has a
tendency to pick up and use popular phrases. I have done that very
thing. For instance, I once referred to homosexuals as "gay." But
after thinking about that term and how they have appropriated a
perfectly good word to describe a heinous sin, I stopped using it.
The Bible refers to them as "sodomites" and that's the term I now
There is nothing sweeter than the fellowship we have in
God's family with other Christians, but consider this: The family
into which I was born and raised wasn't my family. I was a member
of it and had three fine brothers, but that family was my father's
family. He generated us, provided for us, reared us and prepared us
for life. My family consists of my wife and six children of my own.
God's family isn't my family it is His. He begat us with the word
of truth (James 1:18), provides all things for us (James 1:17; Eph.
1:3), and we are beholden to Him for life itself (Acts 17:24-28).
"There are so many other things in the brotherhood
today to be talking about rather than taking a complimentary phrase
like 'my church family,' meant to praise and honor the Lord's
church and turning it into a dirty, nasty, shameful word!"
Does the phrase, "My Church Family" honor the Lord's
church or does it express something else? The word "church" (as you
may know) is a compound of two Greek words, ek meaning "out
of" or "from" and kaleo meaning "to call."
Ekklesia is the word translated "church" in the New Testament,
and is a noun, meaning "the called out." If I use the
term "My Church Family," I am literally saying "My Called Out
Family." That's simply not true. It is God's family which He has
called out of darkness by the Gospel (2 Thess. 2:13-15). From its
first New Testament occurrence in Matthew 16:18 to its last
occurrence in Revelation 3:14, it is used 80 times according to
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible. In each passage where
it is used, it is a noun. The phrase, "my church family" makes the
word "church" an adjective describing the word "family." One may as
well say "my kingdom family," "my Lord's body family," or "my
vineyard family." The church is God's spiritual family and it is
His church, but it isn't my church family any more than it is my
church. The phrase "my church family," which cannot be found within
the pages of the New Testament, implies that the family is "mine."
It isn't mine, by any stretch of the imagination or by inference.
We are the sheep of his pasture, but that doesn't make my fellow
Christians, "my sheep."
Thank you again for your questions. May God bless us all
as we study His word, earnestly contend for the one faith, and pray
for each other.
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MISCONCEPTIONS OF THE CHURCH #4
Garland M. Robinson
It is a misconception that the church must have
Many congregations would not consider having a preacher
work with them unless he had a college or sometimes, masters
degree. For example: "The Bellevue church of Christ is in need of
a second evangelist as Personal Involvement Minister in the area of
education...College degree required. Married, 30-yr old man with
experience desired. Send resume..." (Gospel Advocate, 3/19/87).
Some congregations now have a pulpit minister, associate minister,
youth minister, personal involvement minister, educational
minister, singles minister, single again minister, family services
minister, parking minister, etc., etc. Where will it end?
Many times in introducing one another some say, "this
is brother ___, this is brother ___, this is doctor ___. Why do
some feel compelled to make this distinction? If it is to bestow
honor, then such is not deserved nor is it right in the Lord's
church. But the reply comes back, "but they have earned their
degree." So what? I'm earned all the degrees I have: gsd (grammar
school degree), hsd (high school degree), tsd (technical school
degree), hked (the hard knocks of experience degree), mod (midnight
oil degree), etc. etc. There is no end to all the degrees we earn.
We never stop learning. When we elevate one we cast down another.
The Lord condemned those who loved "...the
uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi,
Rabbi" (Matt. 23:6-7). He continued by saying, "But be
not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all
ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for
one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called
masters: for one is your Master, even Christ" (Matt.
Notice how Jesus said, "all ye are brethren."
This doesn't fuel and energize the vanity of men, but the Lord
never intended to do that. He could care less what men desire. His
point was to show that no one is above another. And, in fact, the
Lord's Way shows that regardless of what position of distinction
and honor one has in this world, he must forfeit it and humble
himself to become a Christian and be counted among the faithful.
Jesus plainly said, "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall
be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted"
(Matt. 23:12). In the Lord's army, the excess baggage of worldly
acclaim and accomplishment is too much to enter the strait and
narrow gate. All must be left behind. Many are unwilling to do
this, just as the rich young ruler was unwilling to give up his
riches. They simply fool themselves when they think they can serve
God and hang on to their earned degrees in the Lord's house.
In writing the church of Galatia, Paul simply said, "all the brethren that are with me" (Gal. 1:2). Why didn't he
say, "Dr. Luke" and "Dr. Silas" are with me? Here was a golden
opportunity for Paul to commend all the prestigious and
professional titles of his fellow workers unto the brethren of
Galatia. But such was not done. Why? Because it was not right!
Regardless of our station in this world, we are all the
same in the Lord's house. In the military there are many ranks,
from privates to generals, seamen to admirals. Those of lower rank
salute those of higher rank. Each must maintain their status. But,
these same individuals have no rank in the Lord's army. Privates
and generals alike are simply brethren in the Lord. They are
stripped of all rank as they work and worship in the Lord's
vineyard. No salutes are given there! Likewise, government
officials are ranked from file clerks to the president of the
United States. But, there are no titles or distinctions in the
Lord's house. We are simply brethren.
The Lord's church is a melting pot. All kinds of people
from every walk of life, every county of the world, every language,
culture, ethnic background, race and heritage become one in Jesus
Christ. From royalty to peasant, from Nobel prize winner to common
laborer, from educated to non-educated, they all lay aside their
sins, from prejudice and vanity, to idolatry and immorality.
"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For
as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on
Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor
free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in
Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed,
and heirs according to the promise" (Gal. 3:26-29).
In First Corinthians 4:6 Paul says, "...that ye
might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written,
that no one of you be puffed up for one against another." In
Romans we read, "For I say...to every man that is among you,
not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to
think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure
of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members
have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in
Christ, and every one members one of another" (Rom. 12:3-5).
"Let love be without dissimulation. ... Be kindly affectioned
one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one
another" (Rom. 12:9-10).
Some in the church at Corinth were condemned for their
feeling of superiority over others. "Now this I say, that
every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of
Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for
you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul" (1 Cor.
1:12-13)? "For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I
am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is
Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave
to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the
increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he
that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that
planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive
his own reward according to his own labour" (1 Cor. 3:4-8).
"Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you
seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he
may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.
For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And
again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are
vain. Therefore let no man glory in men" (1 Cor. 3:18-21).
See also 2 Cor. 10:7-12.
There is no room for titles of honor and distinction in
the Lord's church. We be brethren. We work for the same Lord. We
join hands in accomplishing that which is our duty to do.
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CROSSVIEW MAGAZINE, WHITE'S FERRY ROAD
This came in the mail via CrossView Magazine. "God
heals crippled beggar in Haiti's worst slum" by Jeantyard
Elmera Port-Au-Prince, Haiti.
"Now it is circulated that God performed a miracle at
Cite Soleil. There was a crippled man named Osange Duprevil in the
area, who decided to leave the world and his life of begging to
become a Christian. As he kept coming to church, he began seeing
some blessings in his life. He gradually gained strength and took
some steps. The church rejoiced last Sunday that he could actually
walk to make his confession and to be baptized! Although he had
been living with a woman for many years without being married, he
wanted to do the right thing in this matter also. Joy abounded in
the audience when he asked me to officiate at his wedding. So last
week I baptized him into Christ, officiated at his wedding, and
also baptized his wife Carole and two others."
This sounds more like an Oral Roberts campaign or
something straight out of a Benny Hinn crusade than a gathering of
New Testament Christians. Perhaps someone should invest some real
Care" time in a New Testament study of the "design
and end of miracles" before embarking on a crusade to "share the
truth" with others! How much longer will faithful brethren continue
to support the work at White's Ferry Road and World
Radio, via all it's network of CrossView Ministries
is beyond me.
"How long halt ye between two opinions?"
asked the prophet of old. We have many of our fellow congregations
who continue to use the various tools put out by this group. They
use Larry West in his 1 minute and 5 minute "We Care"
daily programs, and "Dr." Calvin Warpula in his "Unveiled Mysteries," a 15 minute program with so-called
sharing of biblical answers to modern day questions. Many others
use "In His Presence" by Jeff Walling or "Son Words." CrossView is definitely a CROSS VIEW to the
Scriptures, for it is contrary (cross ways) to the truth. May we
wake up to the harm being done before it is too late! John warns us
with these words in 2 John 9-11: "Whosoever transgresseth, and
abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that
abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the
Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine,
receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he
that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."
How much error is too much? Jesus said: "Ye shall know the
truth, and the truth, shall make you free" (John 8:32). He
also warned the woman of Samaria at the well, "Ye worship ye
know not what" (John 4:22). The Samaritans had so corrupted
God's way, they no longer worshipped God. They worshipped
something, but He was not the object of their worship! The lesson?
Perverted worship is no worship at all! Perverted truth is not
truth at all!
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101 QUESTIONS FOR CAMPBELLITES ANSWERED #2
12. "Were you redeemed by the precious waters of Baptism or
by the precious BLOOD of Jesus Christ? 1 Peter 1:18,19."
According to this passage, all who are redeemed are redeemed
"with the precious blood of Christ." The question is,
how do we come in contact with Jesus' redeeming blood? By mere
belief? No. Why? Because "the devils also believe, and
tremble" (James 2:19). A person comes in contact with Jesus'
redeeming blood when he/she is baptized "into Christ" (Gal. 3:27).
He shed his blood in his death, and it is only when we take part in
his death in water baptism that we contact his blood (Rom. 6:3-6).
13. "If Baptism LITERALLY puts one IN CHRIST, What act
LITERALLY puts CHRIST in You? 2 Cor. 13:5; Col. 1:27; Rom.
From John 15:5, we learn when a person is saved, Christ is
in him or her, and he or she is in Christ (see question 4, page
28). When a person is "baptized into Christ" (Rom. 6:3; Gal. 3:27),
Christ is in them.
14. "Did Jesus Christ know the plan of Salvation? John
Absolutely! Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John
14:6). The only way to the Father is through Jesus. "What
shall we do?" Jesus said, "for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins" (John 8:24).
Jesus also said, "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent,
ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3). Further,
Jesus said, "Whosoever therefore shall confess me
before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in
heaven" (Matt. 10:32). Finally, Jesus said, "He that
believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that
believeth not shall be damned" (Mark 16:16). Not only did
Jesus Himself teach the plan of salvation, He taught it through His
apostles to whom He promised to give the Comforter who taught them
all things and brought all things to their remembrance (John
15. "Did Christ at any time or place personally tell a
sinner to be baptized FOR or in ORDER to the Remission of Sin? If
so WHEN and WHERE?"
To prepare the Jewish nation for the establishment of the
Messianic kingdom (the church), John preached, "Repent ye: for
the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matt. 3:2). Jesus' message
during His public ministry was the same (Matt. 4:17). Furthermore,
Mark records John preached, "the baptism of repentance for
the remission of sins" (Mark 1:4). Since Jesus'
preaching and baptizing is compared to John's (John 4:1-2), then we
know that Jesus' baptism during His public ministry was for the
same purpose -- "...for the remission of sins"
(though He did not baptize anyone personally).
Concerning baptism "in the name of Jesus Christ for the
remission of sins," He did not personally tell anyone to obey
such. Why? Because He lived under the Old Testament, and His will
(i.e. the New Testament) was not yet in force. Hebrews 9:15 teaches
the mediator of the new testament." Verse 17
goes on to say, "For a testament is of force after men are
dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator
liveth." Therefore, Jesus' will, the New Testament, was not
in force while He lived upon the earth. It came into effect after
He was dead and after it was proclaimed. However, though He did not
teach it personally Himself, He did teach baptism for the remission
of sins. As we noted in the previous question, the Comforter or
Holy Spirit brought all things to the apostles' remembrance. What
the apostles taught was not their interpretation but was God's and
Christ's Will. Peter, with the eleven, by the inspiration of God
said, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the
name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost" (Acts 2:38). Thus, Jesus
did teach baptism for the remission of sins both personally, and
through the apostles.
16. "Did Christ personally, at any time or place say to
anyone, He That is Baptized not shall be damned?"
It is really amazing the length to which some will go to
teach their doctrines! One can twist the scriptures anyway he
wants, but still Jesus said, "He that believeth and is
baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned"
(Mark 16:16). Since that implies, "he that is baptized not
shall be damned," then so let it be. However, it seems to me we
ought to be more concerned with what to do to be saved than to be
damned, and in this passage, Jesus taught two conditions of
salvation -- belief and baptism. Baptism is an act of obedience
based upon one's faith. If a person does not believe, then he or
she is not a candidate for baptism. Obedience is simply a
demonstration of one's love and faith. Jesus said, "If ye love
me, keep my commandments" (John 14:15). James wrote, "shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith
by my works" (James 2:18). The person who does not believe
will be lost, and the person who does not act upon his faith by
being baptized will also be lost.
17. "Is that Statement: HE THAT IS BAPTIZED NOT SHALL
BE DAMNED, to be found anywhere in the Bible? If so...Where????"
Jesus said, "He that believeth and is baptized shall
be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned" (Mark
16:16). One can twist it anyway he wants, but it still implies, "he
that is baptized not shall be damned." Who am I to argue with the
Lord? My responsibility (as is all men's) is to obey what he
18. "Do you and your brethren, self-styled CHURCH OF
CHRIST, not preach and teach, in word, precept and effect, that 'HE
THAT IS BAPTIZED NOT SHALL BE DAMNED'?"
Because of Jesus' commission, those preachers who are
faithful to God and to His word teach, "He that believeth and
is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be
damned" (Mark 16:16). Since that implies, "he that is
baptized not shall be damned," then so let it be.
19. "Do you not further pollute your own imaginary
scripture by inserting TWO imaginary requirements: (1) That it must
be administered by a Church of Christ preacher, and (2) that when
the candidate goes under the water, he MUST BELIEVE that act is for
OR IN ORDER TO THE REMISSION OF HIS SINS????"
Is Mark 16:16 imaginary? I think not. What a blasphemous
thing to say! Baptist Davis' hatred and antagonism for the church
of Christ oozes out of his pen! Concerning the one doing the
baptizing, God has not spoken. There are no qualifications upon the
one baptizing mentioned in the Scriptures. Therefore, it does not
have to "be administered by a Church of Christ preacher."
Concerning the purpose of baptism, God has spoken.
- Baptism is for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38).
- Baptism places one into Christ (Gal. 3:27).
- Baptism places one into the church (1 Cor. 12:13).
- Baptism is the new birth (John 3:3-5).
- Baptism doth also now save us (1 Peter
If one is going to be baptized correctly, he/she needs to know
why he/she is being baptized.
20. "Do you not reject Baptist Baptism because of the
absence of these two points????"
No, Baptist baptism should be rejected because it is not
administered for the God given purpose.
- Baptist doctrine teaches a person is saved or has the
remission of sins at the point of belief. Therefore,
baptism cannot be for the remission of sins since
they already have it.
- Baptist doctrine teaches a person is in Christ at the
point of belief. Therefore, baptism cannot place one
in Christ since they are already in Christ.
- Baptist doctrine teaches a person is
born again at the point of belief. Therefore, baptism cannot be
the new birth since they are already born again.
21. "Since you and your brethren ADMITTEDLY preach and
teach the above doctrine, in word and deed, and since such
statement can not be found in the Scriptures. He That is Baptized
not shall be damned, Is it NOT TRUE that you teach a doctrine that
IS NOT in the Scriptures?"
Baptist Davis would like to think so. However, Mark 16:16
is still in the Scripture. Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall
pass away, but my words shall not pass away" (Matt. 24:35).
Mark 16:16 is eternal. Long after I or Mr. Davis is gone, Mark
16:16 will still be around.
22. "You, furthermore, proclaim, your motto: Where the
Bible speaks we speak, where the Bible is silent, we are silent:
WHY DON'T YOU REMAIN SILENT ON ABOVE DOCTRINE, 'He that is Baptized
not shall be damned.' BE SILENT, SUCH statement is NOT IN THE
Over the years, different ones have taken a penknife and
removed certain passages they did not agree with. A person can
reject God's message, but His message does not change. Jesus still
teaches, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned" (Mark 16:16).
Since that implies, "he that is baptized not shall be damned," then
so let it be. Who are we to change what Jesus taught?
What is really interesting about this question is how Mr.
Davis can apply this to others but not to himself. He like other
Baptists teach a person is saved by "faith only." Do Baptists speak
where the Bible speaks, and are they silent where the Bible is
silent? Dear reader, please listen to the inspired words of James,
"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not
by faith only" (James 2:24). As the old adage goes,
"What is good for the goose, is good for the gander."
23. "Since your entire approach is builded on an
imaginary scripture which does not exist, your every effort is made
to twist other scriptures and compel THEM TO MEAN your imaginary
Scripture. NOW IS THE STATEMENT FOUND IN THE BIBLE: 'He that
believeth not shall be damned'? Baptists preach that exactly as
listed. DO BAPTISTS PREACH WHAT IS IN THE BIBLE? Now watch him
In John 14:9, we can feel the frustration of Jesus as he
said to Philip, "Have I been so long time with you, and yet
hast thou not known me, Philip?" We could say, Have we been
so long time with you, and yet you still don't understand the
Scriptures? Mark 16:16 is not imaginary! Yes, Baptist preachers
preach "He that believeth not shall be damned." In fact they teach
most of Mark 16:16. They also teach, "He that believeth shall be
saved." In reality, that is saying "He that believeth and is
baptized not shall be saved." However, Jesus still teaches, "He that believeth AND is baptized shall be saved; but he that
believeth not shall be damned." Why don't Baptists just do
what Jesus said? Because it doesn't agree with their doctrine,
that's why! Baptists have their imaginary doctrine of "faith only."
"Have we been so long time with you...?"
"Is there an instance in the Bible where a sinner
was saved without Baptism? Acts 15:9; Luke 7:48; 1 John 5:4; Acts
26:18; Eph. 1:11-13."
There are no instances in the New Testament age where a
sinner was saved without water baptism. Acts 15:9 concerns what is
normally referred to as the "Jerusalem Conference" which was a
discussion about Gentiles being added to the church. During this
discussion, Peter said, "And put no difference between us and
them, purifying their hearts by faith" (Acts 15:9). Whom was
Peter speaking about? Specifically, Cornelius. What was Cornelius
told to do? Acts 10:48 says, "And he commanded them to be
baptized in the name of the Lord." Cornelius obeyed the
commandments of the Lord "by faith."
Luke 7:48 concerns an incident that happened under Old
Testament law, "while the testator liveth" (Heb. 9:17).
The Law of Christ, which includes baptism, did not come into effect
until after the testator died and after His will was proclaimed.
This took place in the city of Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost in
1 John 5:4 says, "For whatsoever is born of God
overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the
world, even our faith." What kind of faith is the victory --
simple belief, or a living, active faith? As we have already
pointed out, it is the living, active faith which obeys. Notice
John earlier wrote, "And hereby we do know that we know him,
if we keep his commandments" (1 John 2:3). John, most
certainly, did not believe in "faith only" salvation as does
Acts 26:18 says, "To open their eyes, and to turn them
from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that
they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them
which are sanctified by faith that is in me." This text is
about Paul preaching the Gospel to the Gentiles. Did Paul preach
"faith only" salvation? No, of course not! Paul taught Lydia, and
she was baptized (Acts 16:14,15). He also taught the Philippian
jailer and his household, and they were baptized (Acts 16:30-34).
Further, he taught the Corinthians, and Luke records, "...and
many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized."
Yes, they were all "sanctified by faith." But what kind
of faith? A faith that included works of obedience. "For as
the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead
also" (James 2:26).
Paul wrote in Ephesians 1:11-13 "In whom also we have
obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the
purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own
will: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first
trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the
word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after
that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise."
Here, and again, belief is used in the broad since that
includes obedience (see question 3, page 27).
25. "Is Baptism a command to and for the Saved or
Unsaved? Which? Remember there is only ONE BAPTISM!"
If baptism is for the saved, then it could not be for the
remission of sins (Acts 2:38). Nor could it place one into Christ
(Gal. 3:27) where salvation is (2 Tim. 2:10). Further, it could not
place one into the church (1 Cor. 12:13) because the church is
composed of the saved (Acts 2:47). Also, it could not be the new
birth (John 3:3-5) because the saved are already born again.
Furthermore, if baptism is for the saved, then it could not save (1
Peter 3:21) because the saved are already saved. But the Bible says
it does save (Acts 22:16; 1 Peter 3:21). Therefore, the command to
be baptized is for those who are lost -- the unsaved.
26. "If to the UNSAVED are not the unsaved UNBORN OF
GOD? Now, do you give commands to your child BEFORE IT IS BORN OR
AFTER it is born? Can an UNBORN child obey a parent?"
Talk about straining out the gnat and swallowing a camel!
If Baptist Davis is like every Baptist I've met, he doesn't even
believe this. I've heard Baptists in person, on the radio, and in
writing refer to John 3:16 and say something to the order of
"believe and you will be saved." Are they not commanding unborn
children to do this?
Are the unsaved unborn of God? Of course they are. Did Jesus
and the apostles command the unsaved? Absolutely! When the unsaved
asked, "what shall we do?" Peter said, "Repent, and
be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the
remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost"
(Acts 2:38). Furthermore, we are children of God by adoption
(Rom. 8:23; Gal. 4:5). A Christian is born into the family of God
by the Spirit of adoption. The new birth, redemption, and adoption
are all figures referring to a person's conversion to Christ. How
does the lost (unborn) learn? Listen to Peter, "Seeing ye have
purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto
unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with
a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed,
but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth
for ever" (1 Peter 1:22,23).
27. "Do you and your Brethren not teach that the
COMMANDS of God are given to the UNBORN and that they, the commands
are but instruments BY WHICH the UNBORN can obtain BIRTH?"
It is amazing how some folks can twists figures, and then
not even apply them to themselves. In questions 3 and 5 (pages
27-28), Baptist Davis used (or better misused) Scriptures to teach
salvation by "faith only." In fact, he misused 1 John 5:1 to teach
the new birth comes by "belief only." Doesn't that make you wonder
if he teaches the unborn to believe that God for Christ's sake has
pardoned their sins?
28. "You boast of LOGIC -- where is there any LOGIC to
My point exactly! Baptist Davis takes the Nicodemus approach
to the new birth. "How can a man be born when he is old? can
he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?"
Listen to what Jesus said! "Verily, verily, I say unto
thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot
enter into the kingdom of God." There are some similarities
between the new birth and physical birth, but the new birth is not
physical birth. Though there are similarities, there are also
- Physical birth is impossible for those already born.
Spiritual birth is not.
- Physical birth does not add one to God's kingdom.
Spiritual birth does.
- Physical birth does not consist of water and
Spirit. Spiritual birth does. What is this spiritual
birth? The Bible is its own best commentary. What
sayest the Scriptures?
- 1 Corinthians 12:13, "For by one Spirit are we
all baptized into one body...."
- Romans 6:4, "Therefore we are buried with him by
baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up
from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we
also should walk in newness of life."
- Titus 3:5, "Not by works of righteousness which
we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us,
by the washing of regeneration, and renewing
of the Holy Ghost."
29. "If you say -- Baptism is a command for the SAVED
-- you find yourself in the BAPTIST position, EXACTLY. This you do
not teach or believe. See Acts 2:41. WHO was baptized here?"
As we have shown in questions 19 & 20, baptism is not a
command for the saved. Acts 2:41 says, "Then they that gladly
received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added
unto them about three thousand souls." Those who "gladly
received his word" were those who were baptized "for the
remission of sins" (v.38) and "the Lord added to the
church daily such as should be saved" (v.47).
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Seek The Old Paths Lectureship
July 23-27, 2000
Always the 4th Sunday in July
DANGERS FACING THE
CHURCH -- CHANGING VIEWS
||Leaving Our First Love...Jimmy
||Grace, Law and Works...Garland
||Binding Where God has Not
MONDAY, JULY 24
The Indwelling of the Holy Spirit...
Preachers Under Fire...
Loosing Where God has Not Loosed... Gilbert
TUESDAY, JULY 25
||Changes in Worship: All of life is
Worship, Holidays, Praise Teams, Hand Clapping...
What The Holy Spirit Does for us Today... Bill
The Community Church...
Modern Versions & Translations...
Chuck Northrop |
What Biblical Love Is...
Joel Morrison |
Christian Schools -- Source of Digression and
Emotionalism / Pentecostalism, Pep-rally Religion...
WEDNESDAY, JULY 26
Fellowship -- Unity in Diversity...
|| The Baptism of the Holy
Spirit... Robert Taylor
The Work of the Church... Roger Campbell
The Role of Women... Virgil Hale
Benevolent & Missionaries Societies...
Terry Joe Kee
THURSDAY, JULY 27
||Corruption of the Plan of
Bible School Literature...
|| Who is on the Lord's
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